Thursday, October 23, 2008

really? 77%?

i'm a little embarrassed about this.

16 comments:

petey hussein said...

stephen.
don't be so judgmental.

jonny said...

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid64163.asp

This article is where they got their figures. The article states that Mormons are doing this to be more accepted by other religions??? I don't know where they are getting their sources.

The article also states, "Senior church elders broadcast a call to Mormons October 8 for increased volunteer efforts and donations for the marriage fight. The hour-long message went out to churches in Utah, Hawaii, and Idaho as well as California."

I don't recall the 'hour-long' message. Was there really such a message?

There is a fundamental difference between Mormons and all the other religions who are pro prop 8. Central leadership. Not only is the central leadership very well organized, but we believe the leadership to be prophets, seers and revelators. It doesn't surprise me at all that the mormons are the chief contributers to prop 8. Does it surprise you?

paul said...

there was a message. i was at the fireside that was broadcast from university of hawaii.

The Frandsen's said...

I wouldn't give credit to anything a group called "Californians Against Hate" said, as if anything the Mormon Church has done has been out of hate. We all know why our church is supporting this bill, and it has nothing to do with anything referenced there. I'm not even a little suprised that members of the church are the major contributors, I would be suprised if they weren't.
Trudy

Stephen Hussein Frandsen said...

"we all know why our church is supporting this bill..." I'm afraid i don't know why. I'm trying to figure it out. i could see a part of it as a method to be better accepted in the wider christian community. why not? it obviously is not the main reason, but i could see it as a factor.

jonny, i'm afraid most everything in the article is accurate. the broadcast did happen. mormons are a major group that is fighting against gay marriage. as we've discussed earlier, i'm very conflicted about this. so, to have my church be the major contributor to the fight, causes me to be somewhat embarrassed when i have to explain the church's position to our gay brothers and sisters.

Stephen Hussein Frandsen said...

petey: can you explain how i'm being judgmental?

paul said...

thought you might be interested in brigham and christine's take brother...

petey hussein said...

tone and tenor, stephen.

jonny said...

mormons are not contributing to prop 8 to be accepted by other churches, brother.

Stephen Hussein Frandsen said...

petey: i said explain, not say stupid stuff that doesn't make sense.

Kendall said...

I thought this article was interesting: http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10819792

petey hussein said...

stephen.

don't boss me around. and thanks for calling me stupid.

your "really? 77%?" is just as condescending, but not nearly as funny as this (skip ahead to remaining minute 1:50), which isn't even that funny. just to give a little comparison.

The Frandsen's said...

Well, when I read the proclamation on the family, I get out of it that traditonal families and gender roles with regard to marriage and parenting are fundamental to our church's beliefs, THAT's why our church supports this bill. You may not AGREE with the church supporting it, but I have a hard time believing you don't know why they are.
Trudy

Kaedi said...

Check your email. Just sent you a link to a friend's blog about Prop 8 that I think is pretty interesting given her background (currently training to be a marriage/family counselor). I'm sure you know my take on Prop 8 -- just thought I'd send you some propaganda.

Katy said...

I was discussing this topic today after family dinner, not necessarily the amount raise (yowsers!!), but I was wondering if there is any information on church involvement in other countries that allow same sex marriage. Why is it so important that it isn't allowed in the US?

I've struggled with the church's involvement in this. I don't think the government should legislate morality at all. I also believe that this wouldn't affect our church the way others are making it out to seem (granted I am lacking the insight of a prophet). We don't pay our clergymen which already protects us, right?

Anyway, I enjoy your blog (you've got quite the Jessen following).

Amber said...

I would be shocked if the actual reason the church was supporting this was to be more accepted by other religions. Since when have we cared about that?

I agree that in 15-20 years we're going to be mighty embarrassed by how we've treated our brothers and sisters who are homosexual.

I can't believe the amount of propaganda I've been sent by family members and friends- videos full of exaggerations and half truths and scare tactics. Oh the scare tactics.

Anyway, Katy pointed me your direction. Good reading. Loved the Russia video.