Thursday, October 02, 2008

missouri madness

Here it is. The live blog thread for tonight's debate at 9:00 Eastern Time. Be here.

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Stephen said...

check this out in preparation.

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

I'll be here Stevie on my new MacBook Mel got me as an early bday/Christmas present!!! (That deserves three exclamation points)

Stephen said...

macbook? sweet. totally sweet!!!!

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Stephen said...

Just turned on CNN. Campbell brown is talking. She has a white skirt on. So hot....I hope I bump into her soon in NYC.

Stephen said...

A shout out to Jeffrey Toobin on the pregame: he's advocating that candidates should be evaluated on the same playing field. what is going on with this lowered expectations stuff.

paul said...

so we're watching on cnn huh?

paul said...

joe biden is a tool.

paul said...

anderson cooper looks nice tonight...

paul said...

these analyst scorecards are lame. one more way to not allow people to think for themselves while listening to the candidates...

paul said...

stevie: why doesn't campbell get a seat?

paul said...

i like cnn's information bar that runs during certain commercials...

paul said...

darin: are you flipping back and force between the utah and oregon state game?

paul said...

i'm at home by myself and talking to myself...no big deal.

Stephen said...

paul: you're not alone. i'm here.

paul said...

biden has been in the senate for six terms. can senators be in the senate for that long without bowing shamefully to lobbyists? mccain included? is it just pick the lobbying groups that align best with your values to give you money? it seems unavoidable in national politics?

Stephen said...

campbell's not sitting because she is hot. and i love her.

paul said...

hi stevie.

Stephen said...

i'm not going to watch the debate on cnn. just the pregame. i think i'm going with nbc. i hate cnn's score cards.

paul said...

i like the fact bar on the bottom of the cnn screen. i just became old enough to be a senator...30.

Stephen said...

hello paul.

paul said...

sounds good. nbc it is. scorecards sound superlame.

Stephen said...

wait...i can't be a senator? i guess peter was right tonight: i don't understand the constitution.

Stephen said...

peter's here tonight and he's trying to pull rank and watch this thing on cnn.

paul said...

i wish refreshing this page took me to the bottom...

Stephen said...

he doesn't realize that scorecards are lame. hey paul, i just spoke to your bekah on the phone. such a qt.

paul said...

peter pulling rank? hmmm.

Stephen said...

i know. oh well. after we get 200 comments it goes to a second page. i have a new post ready when we get to that.

paul said...

oh. i miss my bekah.

Stephen said...

i will continue to work on him. oh donna brazille. ..

paul said...

it is a bit strange that the moderator will be writing a book about obama...

Stephen said...

peter and emily are sitting here on the couch with me. they just cooked dinner. we are such a happy family. why do they have to move out on me?

paul said...

i'm holding a 'watch party' at my house...

paul said...

how cute.

Stephen said...

paul: it's not strange at all. she's a professional that has a long reputation for maintaining impartiality.

paul said...

i like the perception analyzers...

Stephen said...

i hate the perception analyzers. so stupid.

paul said...

regardless. the perception hurts obama tonight.

Stephen said...

let's have an annoying analyzer.
right now it's at 100.

paul said...

you can't argue with a microcosm of the us...

Stephen said...

110.

paul said...

i agree 110%

Stephen said...

i hate this ladies' pearls.

paul said...

i love her hawaiian shirt.

Stephen said...

115. i already miss campbell brown.

paul said...

no more verbage.

Stephen said...

that dude just said verbage...

paul said...

i miss you stevie.

paul said...

where's peter? no iphone commenting?

Stephen said...

a dry run...hopefully peter and emily don't do that before they get married.

paul said...

or i guess he's eating...

Stephen said...

sorry ron and shauna, if you're reading.

paul said...

i think there are men and women perception analyzer lines...

Stephen said...

yes. they're eating. i think he's going to get his computer soon...

Stephen said...

emily's an iphone commenter....

paul said...

ouch.

Stephen said...

why does peter love the analyst scorecards? is it because he can't think for himself?

Stephen said...

the women hate wolf. anderson loves him.

paul said...

our supernice neighbors brought me dinner. too nice.

Stephen said...

yes. campbell's back.

paul said...

i love him too.

paul said...

anderson that is.

Stephen said...

your neighbor is cute, paul. i guess it's just the brothers tonight, huh? where's jonny?

Stephen said...

under two minutes!!!!!!!!!!!

paul said...

really. was biden born in scranton?

paul said...

jonny's watching football.

Stephen said...

yes he was. he moved to wilmington when we was 8 or something like that.

paul said...

whose this black guy? i like him...sort of.

Stephen said...

jonny. come back to us. why would you watch utah football over blogging with us?

Stephen said...

peter is still eating...

Stephen said...

yeah. he's good. that's because he supports barack...

paul said...

i'm eating too:)

paul said...

hi gwen.

Stephen said...

it has begun!!!!!!!!!

Stephen said...

emily's talking on the phone.

paul said...

ohioans are neutral...riveting.

Stephen said...

okay. emily's now out here.

Stephen said...

paul: no untoward outbursts.

paul said...

she's lookin' good.

paul said...

she's a bit hyped up.

paul said...

she=palin.

Stephen said...

palin's hair is down. "hey can i call you joe?"

Stephen said...

turn the stupid mics off.

paul said...

biden is a tool.

paul said...

did i mention that?

paul said...

i think i won't answer you question.

Stephen said...

yeah. joe. hit it. why do the men hate him?

paul said...

i won't answer a question and i'll give a canned answer about 4 obama points...lame.

Stephen said...

paul: just because you hate his hair plugs, doesn't mean he's a tool.

paul said...

they hate him because he's a tool.

Stephen said...

i didn't hear the question. what was it?

Stephen said...

middle class: twice for joe.

Stephen said...

will she say middle class?

paul said...

oh no. not a soccer game analogy.

Stephen said...

what the.....kid's soccer game? betchya?

paul said...

stop that sarah.

Stephen said...

blah blah blah blah.

Stephen said...

"my party has not provided the sound oversight that we need" whatever.

paul said...

at least sarah didn't stop talking and stutter...

Stephen said...

really? still bringing up that campaign suspension?

Anonymous said...

i like the soccer game. She's right. People are scared. Except dad. He's not scared

Stephen said...

biden's bald.

paul said...

i'm joe and i have lots of friends.

paul said...

is joe squinting?

Stephen said...

libby!!!!!!!!!!!!! welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amy F said...

Already past 100? silly. we're going to eat Cafe Rio now as we watch... mmmmm...

Stephen said...

she looked at him. nice.

paul said...

true. the campaign suspension was lame.

i like how sarah looked right at biden--taking him on.

hi libby!

Stephen said...

did she just wink?

Stephen said...

i think she winked.

Anonymous said...

She winked!

Stephen said...

is a maverick able to be on a team?

paul said...

nice sarah. new energy and commitment. reform.

Stephen said...

"get down to gettin' business done"

Stephen said...

she's doing well.

Stephen said...

but.....i still hate her.

Stephen said...

sorry ron.

paul said...

good answer sarah.

paul said...

joe six-pack. nice.

Stephen said...

she's been coached. much better than the couric interviews, no?

paul said...

men in ohio didn't like joe six-pack

paul said...

much better than couric's hack-job.

Stephen said...

oohh...the ohioans love her.

Anonymous said...

not diggin' the whole joe six-pack stuff...

Stephen said...

i hate the perception analyzers.

Stephen said...

the deej!!!!! welcome.

paul said...

doesn't obama have lot's fanny and freddie folks on his staff..?

paul said...

i'm in favor or deregulation...

Stephen said...

biden on the attack

paul said...

oversight is good though.

paul said...

the guy that can't fill up his tank...shouldn't have bought a home he couldn't afford.

Stephen said...

paul: they all do.

Stephen said...

shutup. enough with the joey stories, biden.

paul said...

that was a cute smile at each other.

Emily Frandsen said...

darn right.

Anonymous said...

let's start counting 'darn rights'

paul said...

oh please. obama is a taxes guy.

Stephen said...

boom! joe. nice comeback.

Stephen said...

477 times! nice joe.

Stephen said...

points for joe. let's be serious.

Anonymous said...

ouchy.

paul said...

strong sarah. nice work. put joe in his place...

paul said...

'i may not talk about what you want me to talk about'

Anonymous said...

ooooooohhh, i like her flag pin. best one i've ever seen

Stephen said...

as mayor? do we really care about that? the only reason you eliminated taxes was because of your pork requested through earmarks.

paul said...

fairness? really?

petey said...

boo yeah.

i'll make fun of palin in a minute.

i need to catch up reading first

Stephen said...

oh paul: it's not punitive. you heard joe.

Emily Frandsen said...

red key phrase: track record
blue key phrase: middle class

Stephen said...

petey and emily!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! welcome!!!!!!!!!!!

paul said...

america's tax code on the corporations is higher right now than any other nation in the world...

Stephen said...

she's looking at him. nice.

Stephen said...

this is a little more substantial than the first presidential debate.

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

i'm here. sorry. just got from playing bball.

Stephen said...

paul: not true. it's the fourth highest.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about this huge post, but Biden is boring me. I've read this a couple of times, and I think there's a valid point in it... just skip it if you want... tell me what you think. and here it is:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

'I only got a dollar out of the $20', declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'

'Yeah, that's right', exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'
'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'

'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

petey said...

no more platitudes!!

"government is not the solution, its the problem"

Stephen said...

and that's before the corporate tax holes.

Stephen said...

deej: i'm going to read it later.

Stephen said...

jonny!!!!!!!!!!!! welcome.

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

from what i've heard so far. she's not doing as poorly as I thought.

Stephen said...

jonny: that's because her campaign has tried very hard to manage our expectations.

Stephen said...

numbers numbers numbers.

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

$12000 is way too high. don't believe it.

paul said...

mccain worries me when it comes to intelligence with money. he's a courage guy, but not a details guy. worrisome.

Stephen said...

ultimate bridge to nowhere. sweet. got a laugh.

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

ultimate bridge to nowhere. nice.

petey said...

biden knows too much information!!

zinger from nowhere! nice hustle joe!

Anonymous said...

do you think he's had an eye lift?

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

aaron's laughing at joe biden. really cute.

Stephen said...

whoa. the women love joe. he is kind of sexy....wait, was that sexist?

paul said...

biden's numbers are boring.

Stephen said...

maybe. he had hair plugs.

Emily Frandsen said...

I like biden's succinct style.

petey said...

i don't really care if no one likes biden tonight.

he is playing the attack dog role and doing it very well.

i love it. he is hitting hard. who cares of the ohio indies don't like his negativism.

that's what I'M talking about.

petey said...

mccain is the biggest panderer ever this year.

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

yes on the eye lift, bill.

Stephen said...

that's the only thing mccain does: say one thing to one group, do a totally different thing.

paul said...

sarah's record with oil falls flat as mccain is too well tied to oil...

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

to be fair, aaron's laughing at palin, too.

Stephen said...

oh my gosh. she's speaking in almost complete sentences. amazing.

petey said...

he says: i'm suspending my mccain.
then doesn't close any offices.
then blows the compromise.
then shows up at the debate anyway.

Stephen said...

how long do you think it took to do her hair in the back?

petey said...

talk about america!

who the eff cares about alaska.

it is NOT an area of expertise.

not taking anything off the table...?!
is she sane?

petey said...

oversight??

mccain is against oversite. year after year after year.

who is this girl?

petey said...

i like the attack on the gas companies.

Stephen said...

palin supports windfall tax?

Emily Frandsen said...

good call biden giving palin credit and then busting McCain.

paul said...

she's talking about her record peter...

something that obama could do more of?

Stephen said...

i thought government is the problem....

petey said...

cnn doesn't get it.

biden is not debating palin. so the scorecards aren't valuable.

biden is using the biggest stage possible to show how wrong mccain's polices are.

uh oh.
here come the stumbles....

paul said...

palin looks nervous right now.

Anonymous said...

petey: how many mandibular incisors does biden have?

paul said...

deer in the headlight.

Stephen said...

she's rambling.

Stephen said...

is she going to recover from that?

petey said...

deej. looks like 6 or so.

prolly all veneers...

paul said...

oh, did the tool biden vote against the financial rescue?

Jonny, Mel, Aaron said...

mortgage holders didn't pay the price!!! give me a break, biden.

petey said...

deej. at least they aren't as bad as freakin lou dobbs...

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